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JR ( guitars,drums,sax,keys,bass)started recording bizarre, sometimes incoherent and noisy, improvised psychedelic jams around 2003/2004, Bert Mettamon guitars and drums and many other collaborators , recorded, as improvised jams, from Dan Lix and Peter Hearst to sir Brodie Marshall and Ryan Pumphrey, among others. Many recordings from this era exist, if you dare ask. not friendly to most ears, but unique works nonetheless.

Urinal Auto Trouble: trippy electronic solo project, maybe two or three copies made, one lost in Scottish highlands in 2004.

Angelcrotch: in 2005, very few copies made, featured Brodie Marshall, Bert Mettam, JR, Ryan Pumphrey on bass and guitars , and Dan Lixon bass and Peter Hearston guitar. I don't even think some of those people know they are on this album. (no royalties,fellas)

Montreal recordings 2005-2007,from sitar standup bass free jazz to D&B metal, trombone screams, acoustic guitars. These are more loose collections of improvised recordings than bands, as there was never any names or live shows played. jamie now lives in his ratsnest studio,recording too much material to deal with, in downtown port arthur.